I’m super excited about this podcast with philosopher Massimo Pigliucci, but it took me too long to get to Massimo’s best stuff about modern stoicism as a path to secular goodness. So then, unless you’re really hardcore, I suggest you skip ahead to 42:00, get the gist of the conversation, and then go back to get Massimo’s back story later on. Once you hear him, you’re probably also going to want to check out Massimo and his ideas at howtobeastoic.org. Don’t let the ‘philosopher’ title put you off, either. This guy’s as practical about living well as they come!

Massimo Pigliucci is Professor of Philosophy at CUNY-City College, co-host of the Rationally Speaking Podcast, and the editor in chief for the online magazine Scientia Salon.

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