Bart’s son Roman joins him for this chat, recorded on Father’s Day, in which they contemplate the nature of ‘fathering’ and the attributes of an ideal father figure in someone’s life. What are the factors that make someone a good mentor? How can fathers establish a reality model for the person they’re mentoring but stretch to understand their world too? Is religion based on a father complex? To what extent did Bart’s own values stick with Roman, and what does Roman think now?

(Roman jumps back on the mic later for a bonus segment on Trump and the current state of the political drama in the United States, with an exchange of views about how much people should be engaged with it or care about the intricacies of what’s going on.)

Roman is a musician and songwriter living in Los Angeles.