Secular stories: On this episode, Bart chats with his old friend Mark Yaconelli about his latest project, The Hearth Community, gatherings in which people explore, craft, and share stories from what they have lived. They talk about how these gatherings compare to Christian church, how they’re different, and what role such things can play in shaping a secular world.

The website for the group Bart mentions in the beginning is HERE. Mark Yaconelli’s community site can be found at Join the discussion on this episode HERE!