Like Bart, Drew Bekius is a former Christian minister who stopped believing and left the faith he held for so long. In this episode, Bart and Drew talk about their journey, the view on the other side of faith, the plight of unbelieving clergy, compassion for those in that position and what they’re both doing now that they’re no longer evangelical pastors.

Drew’s website can be found at drewbekius.com. Bart can be reached at bartcampolo.org/contact.